an article for us, the fleeters!

good article. still doesn't answer the question as to what the prerequisites are for founding a fleet, aside from having 5 members. I think it's unlikely that we'll be able to start one immediately at the rank of Lt.

interesting news about fleet uniforms too. my standing question about special uniforms, whether they're fleet or from a pre-order bonus, is do you automatically get the uniform for your BOFs too?

lots of great info.

looks like i'll need four KT's when the time comes. but regardless, looks like our fleet should be rolling on opening night!

logs sound awesome.

also, the confirm we get for logos and uniforms are great news, especially for all the talent in this fleet when it comes to such things.

You can count me on be to be around to help start the fleet.

Also, like the idea of having a separate fleet uniform and having a fleet log.

Nice info.
Maybe someone could make a buffed up version of the KT cross for the fleet patch.

glancing around at the gallery we already have some great fleet patch designs. I'm particularly fond of the round patch with KT cross and stars.

Ezmac028 wrote:glancing around at the gallery we already have some great fleet patch designs. I'm particularly fond of the round patch with KT cross and stars.

with the dark brown?

i'm a huge fan of that.

this one: https://stokt.aforumfree.com/gallery/Knights-Templar-logos/STO-forum-logos/star-cross-logo-sto-forum-pic_66.htm

I'm not sure which "brown one" you're referring to.

this one.

https://stokt.aforumfree.com/gallery/Knights-Templar-logos/STO-forum-logos/sto-logo-newformini-3-pic_38.htm

heh, they are both great though.

Ezmac028 wrote:this one: https://stokt.aforumfree.com/gallery/Knights-Templar-logos/STO-forum-logos/star-cross-logo-sto-forum-pic_66.htm

I'm not sure which "brown one" you're referring to.

Logos yes please. Im a fan of the dark one as well.
How are we going to handle the ranking system? Is there a thread out there somewhere?

what they said about having 7 fleet ranks wasn't very clear to me. I don't think this will be mean military rank (Ensign - Capt) but will actually be positions.

smbrenn wrote:Logos yes please. Im a fan of the dark one as well.
How are we going to handle the ranking system? Is there a thread out there somewhere?

rank? what rank?

heh.

in all honesty, it should just be the ranks of knight, member, and maybe a couple where we need specific needs. like a recruiter, etc.

whats your guys feedback on that?

an actual 'rank' system as most fleet use is not something i have ever wanted, but there is no reason we can use them for something we create ourselves, such as the positions i stated earlier...

I agree Jay.
Course lets not forget the whole fleet spying bonanza, but to be honest i dont see that happening to us. We dont seem to be quite that "hard-core" to have to worry about someone spying on us, not to mention the fact that how much valuable info could we possibly have?

I would like to see someone have final authority over the banking system though just to be safe.

I also like the darker symbol that Jay was thinking of.
As far as rank, there could be a separate one for members currently apart of the 'order' system

jayrelo wrote:

smbrenn wrote:Logos yes please. Im a fan of the dark one as well.
How are we going to handle the ranking system? Is there a thread out there somewhere?

rank? what rank?

heh.

in all honesty, it should just be the ranks of knight, member, and maybe a couple where we need specific needs. like a recruiter, etc.

whats your guys feedback on that?

an actual 'rank' system as most fleet use is not something i have ever wanted, but there is no reason we can use them for something we create ourselves, such as the positions i stated earlier...

I agree completely about our fleet not dictating our Starfleet ranks. Our characters' Starfleet ranks should simply reflect whatever we have earned in game.

In the article they mention that there are seven "Fleet Ranks" without explaining what exactly a Fleet Rank is. My interpretation is that these will be positions such as President, Vice President, Treasurer (not these titles perhaps, but they will define an assigned role of leadership to that fleet).

I see the ranks as being like those in City of Heroes (this example chosen for similar number of ranks) where rank is more of a top down system that breaks down into something like this:
Head Leader
Leaders
Sub Leaders
Squad Leaders
squad members
peons

your rank so to say can be less about actual power and responsibilities and more of a way to rank members according to contributions, time spent playing, helping others, etc

yeh, here's hoping we can customize those too...

I agree completely about our fleet not dictating our Starfleet ranks. Our characters' Starfleet ranks should simply reflect whatever we have earned in game.

In the article they mention that there are seven "Fleet Ranks" without explaining what exactly a Fleet Rank is. My interpretation is that these will be positions such as President, Vice President, Treasurer (not these titles perhaps, but they will define an assigned role of leadership to that fleet).

Nice article! This is the first time they have said anything meaningful on fleet mechanics

The uniforms and logos is sweet, making us a bit more visible (for better or worse). As for ranks, we can mould them into what we need them to be, similar to what we've been doing here on the forum. Without knowing the tools we'll be working with, it's impossible to say what those will be, but we're an intelligent bunch so I'm confident we'll figure it out

Ranking I think perhaps:

The Order
Project Leaders (whoever's handling things like the Rescue Squad)
Knights
Members

Perhaps a probie rank for people who have joined in game but haven't made themselves known here.

For the insignia, my reading of that article is that we'll have to use what's in game rather than the artwork here. If that's the case, we'll just have to see how close we can get with Cryptic's offerings.

I think Mars just came up with a good starting template and concept.

Mars's concept works for me. Simple, clean, and linear. Are we going to do elections or something to fill the spots? Just a thought no worries.

marscentral wrote:Ranking I think perhaps:

The Order
Project Leaders (whoever's handling things like the Rescue Squad)
Knights
Members

Perhaps a probie rank for people who have joined in game but haven't made themselves known here.

For the insignia, my reading of that article is that we'll have to use what's in game rather than the artwork here. If that's the case, we'll just have to see how close we can get with Cryptic's offerings.

Squire
Knight Provisional
Knight
Knight Elder
Grand Knight
Grand Knight Elder
Knight of the Order

just an idea to go off of his origianl idea. it allows all seven to be used.

and associated ranks insignia...if possible:

squire: fleur-de-lis (size of single pip) silver in color.
knight provisional: fleur-de-lis inside square (akin to admiral lower half) silver in color.
knight: templar cross (size of single pip) silver with red cross.
knight elder: templar cross inside square (admiral lower half) silver with red cross.
grand knight: two templar crosses inside square (admiral look) silver with red crosses.
grand night elder: three templar crosses inside square (aka admiral look) silver with red crosses.
knight of the order: same as above, but gold in color with red crosses.

In my opinion that's a little to structured sir james.

Lets simplify, and then specialize.

Squires- New members (whatever we want to call them)- limited access
Knights- most common rank- majority of access
Banker and any other departments we deem necessary. These people carry more responsibility in their respective departments (maybe this is a little too bureaucratic)
and of course those in The Order at the Top

But that's just my view

Lithian wrote:Nice info.
Maybe someone could make a buffed up version of the KT cross for the fleet patch.

Would anybody consider these as a starting point? Simple pattern and high-contrast colors will allow you to recognize the logo when it's shrunk down onto a uniform or ship hull.

That being said, we'll still have to wear-test them to see how they translate.



Hmmm... BK pointed this out earlier.

Craig: So you will have your fleet logos on your ship and your uniform.

Stephen: And that is pretty widely customizable but it is set from a large selection of predefined logos.

I like the idea of only having two fleet ranks. Knight and 'applicant'.

- edit, I guess we'll need one or two more for administration and such, one for the Order?

jayrelo wrote:
rank? what rank?

heh.

in all honesty, it should just be the ranks of knight, member, and maybe a couple where we need specific needs. like a recruiter, etc.

whats your guys feedback on that?

an actual 'rank' system as most fleet use is not something i have ever wanted, but there is no reason we can use them for something we create ourselves, such as the positions i stated earlier...

^^^ this